Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/12/2003 09:06 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         February 12, 2003                                                                                    
                              9:06 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken convened  the meeting at approximately 9:06 AM.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde                                                                                                               
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  SENATOR JOHN COWDERY;  SENATOR FRED DYSON;  SENATOR                                                          
HOLLIS FRENCH; SENATOR  ROBIN TAYLOR; SENATOR THOMAS WAGONER; ROBERT                                                            
D. STORER,  Executive Director, Alaska  Permanent Fund Corporation,                                                             
Department  of Revenue; ERIC E. WOHLFORTH,  Chair, Alaska  Permanent                                                            
Fund  Board  of  Trustees;   CLARK  GRUENING,  Vice  Chair,   Alaska                                                            
Permanent  Fund  Board  of  Trustees;  CARL  BRADY,  Member,  Alaska                                                            
Permanent Fund  Board of Trustees;  WILLIAM A. CORBUS, Commissioner                                                             
Elect,  Department  of Revenue  and  Member, Alaska  Permanent  Fund                                                            
Board  of   Trustees;  MICHAEL  J.   O'LEARY  CFA,  Executive   Vice                                                            
President,  Callan  Associates  Inc.; CHRIS  PHILLIPS,  Director  of                                                            
Finance, Alaska  Permanent Fund Corporation,  Department  of Revenue                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Attending   via  Teleconference:   There   were  no  teleconference                                                           
participants.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard an  overview from the Permanent Fund Corporation                                                            
regarding the Fund's current and projected financial status.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Presentation by the Permanent Fund Corporation Board of                                                                    
     Trustees                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken informed  the Committee that  the Alaska  Permanent                                                            
Fund Corporation's  presentation  would include  an introduction  of                                                            
its Board of  Trustees, a general  update on issues being  addressed                                                            
by  the Corporation,  a  capital  market  outlook, and  a  financial                                                            
forecast for fund growth and income.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  D.  STORER,   Executive  Director,  Alaska  Permanent   Fund                                                            
Corporation introduced  Eric Wolfforth who is serving  a second term                                                            
as  Chair  of  the  Alaska  Permanent  Fund  Corporation   Board  of                                                            
Trustees.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ERIC WOHLFORTH,  Chair, Alaska Permanent  Fund Corporation  Board of                                                            
Trustees,  acknowledged  Clark  Gruening,  Carl Brady,  and  William                                                            
Corbus  as  members  of the  Permanent  Fund  Corporation  Board  of                                                            
Trustees who were  in attendance. He mentioned that  other attendees                                                            
include  Bob Maynard  and  Allen Bufford,  who,  as  members of  the                                                            
Fund's Council  of Advisors,  provide a  professional "outside  look                                                            
and a  critical look"  as to how  the Fund is  performing. He  noted                                                            
that today's  presentation  would be conducted  by Michael  O'Leary,                                                            
senior officer of Callan  Associates, a consulting firm that reviews                                                            
and advises on the activities  of the Fund's managers and the Fund's                                                            
internal investment strategies.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer informed the  Committee that, in addition to generating a                                                            
five-year  financial  forecast based  on market  conditions,  Callan                                                            
Associates performs  an annual review of the Fund's  capital markets                                                            
and asset allocations.  He noted that the review, which includes the                                                            
earnings return  expectations for  each asset category such  as real                                                            
estate,  stocks, and  bonds, is  presented to  the Corporation  each                                                            
February  in the form of  an educational  meeting. He remarked  that                                                            
the  Corporation  would  address the  review's  findings  during  an                                                            
upcoming March meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL J. O'LEARY CFA,  Executive Vice President, Callan Associates                                                            
Inc. referred  the  Committee to  the Callan  Associates Inc.  "2003                                                            
Capital Market  Outlook Legislative  Work Session" handout  [copy on                                                            
file], dated February  2003. He stated that the information  on page                                                            
two of  the handout  reflects that  the years  2000, 2001, and  2002                                                            
were the  first years since  the 1930's that  the Stock Market  "has                                                            
been down" three consecutive  calendar years. He stressed that these                                                            
three years fared  worse than the market decline of  the 1973-4 bear                                                            
market  and were  similar to  "the market  descent"  of the  1930's.                                                            
However, he voiced  optimism that these years were  "the bottom of a                                                            
retractive  bear  market"  that has  been  "very  deep in  terms  of                                                            
percentage loss."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary stated  that  the Leman  Brothers (LB)  Aggregate  Bond                                                            
Index numbers on the page  reflect the "magnitude of the bond market                                                            
returns"  over the  same three-year  period. He  ventured that  "the                                                            
relative performance  difference between stocks and  bonds…has never                                                            
been  greater," and  he identified  declining  interest  rates as  a                                                            
contributing  factor  to the "extraordinary"  bond  performance.  He                                                            
stressed that  the implications of  this bond market trend  would be                                                            
significant as the market moves forward.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  continued  that, additionally,  the  Standard and  Poor                                                            
(S&P)  Stock  Index  "rolling  20  quarter  returns"   graph  titled                                                            
"Rolling 5  Year Returns for Stocks"  depicts that, in 2002,  stocks                                                            
had their first negative  return since 1973-4. He noted that, if the                                                            
returns  for  1998  and 1999  were  removed  from  the  chart,  "the                                                            
cumulative returns would  be horrendous because those two years were                                                            
so strong."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  stated that  page four reflects  cumulative return  and                                                            
growth  comparison  tables  for  stocks,  bonds  and  cash  for  the                                                            
previous  forty years,  in five-year  increments.  He expressed  the                                                            
importance   of  noting  that  overall   stock  returns   have  been                                                            
"comfortably  above the return" generated  by bonds. He pointed  out                                                            
that this is denoted  by the 10.49 percent cumulative  40-year stock                                                            
return achieved in spite  of the recent bear market. He compared the                                                            
relative value  of a dollar to stocks and bonds returns  as depicted                                                            
in the table at the bottom of page four.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken asked how a stock is defined in this review.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  replied that  the stocks referred  to in this  research                                                            
are defined as the Standard and Poor (S&P) 500.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary continued that  while evidence such as a growing economy                                                            
indicates that  the recession is coming  to an end, the information                                                             
on  page five  addresses  the  current  economic  environment  which                                                            
includes:  a weak  business investment  trend;  the lowest  treasury                                                            
bond yield in  forty years; a narrowed spread between  corporate and                                                            
treasury bond yields; and  the fact that the equity risk "premium is                                                            
unusually  wide." He  stated  "that people  are very  risk  adverse,                                                            
currently,"  which,  he  stressed,  is  supported  by  the  public's                                                            
immediate  and negative  response  to daily news  reports  regarding                                                            
terrorism and  the result that this  response has on the  investment                                                            
market.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary voiced that  numerous state and local governments are in                                                            
"difficult  financial circumstances"  as a  result of declining  tax                                                            
revenues,   continuing   growth    and  expenditures,    and   "very                                                            
unfortunately,  a real increase in pension funding  requirements" on                                                            
the national  level  which is affecting  both  public and  corporate                                                            
pension funds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary stated that  the graph on page six "depicts the yield to                                                            
maturity  for the bond market  as measured  by the Lehman  Aggregate                                                            
Index."  He identified  the first  of the seven  daily yield  points                                                            
highlighted  on  the graph  as being  September  10,  2001, the  day                                                            
before the terrorist  attacks on New York City and  the Pentagon. He                                                            
stated  that this  point signifies  the  beginning  of a  "dramatic"                                                            
daily yields  "fall." He  stated that, "people  running to  quality,                                                            
drove  the  interest  rates   down"  as  a  result  of  the  federal                                                            
government  "opening the faucet to  provide sufficient liquidity  in                                                            
the system."  He continued  that on December  31, 2001 the  interest                                                            
rates rose to  approximately the same level as before  the September                                                            
  th                                                                                                                            
11   terrorist attacks. He  continued that during  the first quarter                                                            
of  2002,  interest  rates  increased,   and  an economic   recovery                                                            
appeared  to be  occurring;  however,  he shared,  economic  factors                                                            
began to decline  and the "whole investment  grade bond market  from                                                            
Triple A  to B double A"  continued in a  downward trend to  "a very                                                            
low  level"  in September  2002.  He  stated  that the  bond  market                                                            
recovered  at the  beginning  of the fourth  quarter  of 2002  "with                                                            
interest rates  spiking back up" then declining again  at the end of                                                            
2002 to an interest rate  of approximately four percent. However, he                                                            
expressed, during the first  two days of 2003 "the yield to maturity                                                            
of the bond market increased approximately 25 basis points."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary stressed that  the "yield to maturity on the bond market                                                            
is  a good  naïve indicator  of  the rate  of return"  expected  for                                                            
investment  grade bond earnings over  the next five years;  however,                                                            
he shared,  "there have  been some  structural changes  in the  bond                                                            
market in the  composition of this  index so that as we look  ahead,                                                            
this indicator would not  be quite as reliable as it has been in the                                                            
past." Nonetheless, he  continued it does provide "a starting point"                                                            
for what could be expected of a bond investment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary explained that  the graph on page seven compares the S&P                                                            
500 earnings  yield over a twenty  year period to the corresponding                                                             
ten-year treasury  bond yields. He  pointed out that in 1981-2,  the                                                            
treasury  bond  yield,  which  is currently  four  percent,  was  14                                                            
percent.  He furthered  that  the stock  market yield  exceeded  ten                                                            
percent  in  1981-2;  however,  he  qualified,  its  yield  is  also                                                            
currently  four percent. He  expressed that  over time, "there  is a                                                            
linkage between  the price investors  are willing to pay  for future                                                            
earnings and  the general level of  interest rates as measured  by a                                                            
riskless investment" in a ten-year treasury bond.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  noted that the  linkage between  the S&P Earning  Yield                                                            
and  the  Ten-Year   Treasury  Yield  is  reflected   in  the  ratio                                                            
comparison  chart at  the bottom  of page  seven. He  noted that  in                                                            
1987,  the graphing  line  dipped "very  low" which  indicates  that                                                            
consumers  viewed stocks  "as very  expensive  relative to  interest                                                            
rates"  at  that time.  He  continued  that  this  relationship  was                                                            
"corrected"  in the  fourth quarter  of 1987 when  the stock  market                                                            
"tanked"  and stock  values declined  more than  twenty percent.  He                                                            
noted  that   interest  rates  also   declined  at  this   time.  He                                                            
characterized  the years 1999 and  2000 as "bubble-mania,"  when the                                                            
market was "absurdly" valued  and "interest rates were comparatively                                                            
low." He stated  that the correction to this situation  has been the                                                            
recent  three-year   "painful  bear  market."  He  summarized   that                                                            
currently,  "stocks appear  to be  attractively  priced relative  to                                                            
treasuries."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary stated that  page eight reflects a valuation measurement                                                            
comparing the United States  stock market to other national markets.                                                            
He  noted that,  "all markets  appear  to be  below  their long  run                                                            
averages."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary  informed  the  Committee  that  page  nine  identifies                                                            
features   imbedded  within   the  financial   analysis   including:                                                            
continuing  economic  recovery;  continuing   low  inflation  rates;                                                            
"comparatively  little  risk" of deflation;  a  slowing of  consumer                                                            
spending to  align with disposable  income levels because  "everyone                                                            
who  could refinance  has  already  done so;"  a slow  stock  market                                                            
recovery;  and a  tapering off  in the  housing  market as  interest                                                            
rates  begin  to rise.  He  noted that  it  should be  considered  a                                                            
"blessing"  that the  housing market  has remained  as strong  as it                                                            
has.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked the problems created by deflation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  voiced  that "moderate  inflation of  three percent  or                                                            
less" is healthy for the  economy, as it makes for "easy adjustments                                                            
in relative prices."  In response to Co-chair Wilken's  question, he                                                            
characterized  an employee  review as  being similar  to the  "scary                                                            
scenario" of  an "deflationary environment;"  wherein, the  employee                                                            
is told that  as a reward for doing  a great job, his or  her salary                                                            
would be  decreased only  one percent rather  than the four  percent                                                            
designated  in  the budget.  He  commented  that in  a deflationary                                                             
environment,  it is hard "to pay off  your debt." He continued  that                                                            
the value of a person's  home "has been a great source of the growth                                                            
of equity;"  however,  he  stressed, "in  a protracted  period,  the                                                            
price"  of  a house  would  decline  rather  than  being  stable  or                                                            
increasing.  He  declared  that  this  would   adversely  affect  an                                                            
individual's sense of well-being and the economy as a whole.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked when the United  States experienced  its most                                                            
recent deflationary period.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary responded  that  the most  recent  deflationary  period                                                            
occurred  in the  1930's. He  continued  that, within  the last  six                                                            
months,  national  economists  announced  that people  "were  really                                                            
worried about" the risk  of deflation occurring; however, "that risk                                                            
seems to have diminished."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  commented that Alaska  experienced a downturn  in the                                                            
value  of homes during  1985-6,  which, he reminded  the  Committee,                                                            
corresponded  with,  among   other  factors,  a  decrease  in  State                                                            
spending.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary  stated  that the  information  on  page  ten  provides                                                            
details  from the five-year  capital market  projection that  Callan                                                            
Associates, Inc. generates each year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary explained that  the chart on page eleven identifies "the                                                            
middle  point of a  range" of  projected market  possibilities,  and                                                            
that the  range is  referred to  as the Standard  Deviation  or risk                                                            
factor. He  stated that Standard Deviation  is further explained  on                                                            
page twelve.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  noted  that page  13 depicts  the 2003  Capital  Market                                                            
Projections.   He  pointed  out  that  the  2002  inflation   number                                                            
projection  has been  reduced  from 2.9  percent to  2.6 percent  in                                                            
2003,  which, in  effect, causes  a 0.3  percent  reduction "in  the                                                            
expected return of every asset category."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary continued that  the biggest change in this year's annual                                                            
report  when compared  to previous  reports  is "the  change in  the                                                            
expectation  of bond  return"  as the  result of  the "substantial"                                                             
decline  in interest  rates.  He stated  that the  2002 bond  return                                                            
projection  was 5.75 percent; however,  he noted, the actual  return                                                            
for 2002 was  ten percent, with four  years remaining on  that five-                                                            
year  forecast.  He  stated  that  some  analysts   consider  Callan                                                            
Associates' 2003 bond return  projection of 4.75 percent optimistic;                                                            
while others  consider  the projection  to be low,  in light  of the                                                            
2002 ten percent return.  He noted the approximate 4.75 percent 2003                                                            
bond return  would lower the overall  return level during  the five-                                                            
year projection period.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary  continued  that an  internal  debate  occurred  within                                                            
Callan Associates  "about  the likelihood of  an equity return."  He                                                            
commented that,  "over a protracted period of time,  the real return                                                            
to  common  stock   investors"  has  averaged  six  percent,   "even                                                            
incorporating"  the recent  sharp decline  in the  stock market.  He                                                            
voiced that  "we are  closer to the  end of a  bear market than  the                                                            
beginning  of a  bear market,"  and he  commented that  it could  be                                                            
argued that  the expectation is "for  an above average real  return"                                                            
for  the  next  five  years.  He  stated  that   the  2003  forecast                                                            
identifies  a 6.1  percent  real return  on  the S&P  500 and  that,                                                            
including inflation  the nominal rate  of return is projected  to be                                                            
8.7 percent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  continued that the chart  on page 13 compares  the 2002                                                            
projections  to the 2003  capital market  projections for  equities,                                                            
fixed income assets,  inflation, and other investments  such as real                                                            
estate,  and  their  corresponding  projected   annual  returns  and                                                            
standard  deviations. He  commented that the  Alaska Permanent  Fund                                                            
has  benefited from  its  "substantial  allocation"  of real  estate                                                            
since real estate has fared  well during the recent market downturn;                                                            
however,  he noted, the real  estate market,  and in particular  the                                                            
competitive  leasing market  situation,  on the  national level  has                                                            
weakened.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  indicated the  graph on page  14 reflects the  range of                                                            
return and standard deviation  mixes using "the most conservative to                                                            
very aggressive"  2002 equity  numbers and  also reflects the  range                                                            
using  the  2003   projections.  He  explained  that,   in  2003,  a                                                            
conservative  and "low volatility"  equity allocation percentage  of                                                            
twenty percent  would generate approximately  a six percent  return.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary,  referring to market  risks such as terrorist  attacks,                                                            
inflation,  and a  stagnating  economy,  stated that  the  five-year                                                            
market projection  detailed on page 15 takes into  consideration the                                                            
current  political  conflict  in  the  Middle  East  with  "the  key                                                            
assumption"  that  were  military  action  to  occur,  it  would  be                                                            
contained  to that area and  would be short  in duration. He  stated                                                            
that this projection  must be revisited, were the  conflict scenario                                                            
to differ from this assumption.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  continued that  the chart on  page 16 applies  the 2003                                                            
financial  projections  to  the Alaska  Permanent  Fund Corporation                                                             
(APFC)  portfolio  components.  He compared  the  current  portfolio                                                            
component allocation  percentages  as established "by the  policy of                                                            
the Fund" to  various asset allocations  referred to as "mixes."  He                                                            
declared that  the target allocations  are projected to result  in a                                                            
2003 expected  rate of return of approximately  7.38 percent  with a                                                            
standard  deviation of 10.84  percent. He  explained that the  10.84                                                            
percent standard  deviation number  indicates that the range  of the                                                            
return could  be between  negative 3.56 percent  and positive  18.22                                                            
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  stated that,  "the Permanent  Fund's current policy  is                                                            
essentially  at the statutory limit  for equity exposure,  exclusive                                                            
of  the  basket clause."  He  explained  that,  "the  basket  clause                                                            
provides  added  flexibility"  and in  the case  of  a strong  stock                                                            
market rally, would "allow  for the percent allocated to equities to                                                            
be increased."  He continued that the basket clause  also allows the                                                            
Corporation  "to invest in areas that  otherwise are not  explicitly                                                            
approved by statute."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary utilized  the term "efficient frontier"  to refer to the                                                            
market  position   in  which  the  asset  allocations   produce  the                                                            
projected rate  of real return. He mentioned that  the chart on page                                                            
17 depicts the "efficient  frontier" and the current "target mix" of                                                            
investments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary continued that  the bar graph on page 18 illustrates the                                                            
target rate of return and  the various rates of returns generated by                                                            
differing asset  allocation mixes  for a one-year period.  He stated                                                            
that the targeted  asset allocation mix's medium range  of return is                                                            
                                   th                                                                                           
projected to be 7.38 percent; the 5   percentile projection is 26.62                                                            
                           th                                                                                                   
percent;  and that  the 95percentile     projection,  "which is  two                                                            
standard deviations," is a negative 8.93 percent.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  noted  that page  19 and page  20 portray  the rate  of                                                            
return  over a three-year  and  five-year period,  respectfully.  He                                                            
noted that the  contrasting "worst and best case scenarios  are both                                                            
less extreme"  than those experienced in a one-year  period, and, he                                                            
continued,  the five-year  period range  of returns  has the  lowest                                                            
extremes.  He reiterated  that, "most  of the  benefit derived  from                                                            
diversification really occurs within a five-year period."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary  characterized   the  information   on  page  21  as  a                                                            
"forewarning"  of  the impact  of  the statutory  limitation  of  55                                                            
percent  asset allocation  in  equities. He  explained  that as  the                                                            
allocation "moves toward  higher volatility, higher risk, and higher                                                            
return alternatives, that's  when the statutory constraint begins to                                                            
have an effect."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary,  referring to  the  review's  conclusion  on page  22,                                                            
stated that  an important question  is whether the fund's  policy is                                                            
on the efficient  frontier, and he  concluded, "the answer  is yes."                                                            
He continued  that the policy is "prudent  and produces the  highest                                                            
expected return for the  level of risk that is undertaken." However,                                                            
he expressed,  in the auspice of today's five-year  projection, "the                                                            
policy mix  is inconsistent  with the obtainment  of a five  percent                                                            
real return target."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  declared  that this  is the  first  time the  Permanent                                                            
Fund's rate of  return on its investments has faced  this situation,                                                            
and  the  reason,  he  clarified,  is  because  bonds  are  a  "very                                                            
substantial part of the  Permanent Fund portfolio" and "the expected                                                            
real return  on bonds is so low."  He stressed that after  factoring                                                            
in  inflation, the  projected  real  return on  bonds  would be  2.1                                                            
percent,  which is  below  the projected  five-year  return of  five                                                            
percent. He stated  that the Permanent Fund Board  of Trustees would                                                            
be addressing  this  issue. He  noted "that  there  have been  other                                                            
periods in history  when the financial markets haven't  produced the                                                            
types of targeted  real returns that  people were striving  for, and                                                            
that can change,  but right now…it is unreasonable  to expect a five                                                            
percent real return over the next five years."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked for  further information regarding the various                                                            
market   mix  allocations   depicted   on  page   20,  particularly                                                             
information  about Mix 3 in which  all of the projected returns  are                                                            
positive.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary responded  that Mix 3 reflects a 95 percent  probability                                                            
of a 0.09 percent  return with a median  return of 7.12 percent.  He                                                            
commented  that Mixes 4 through  8 reflect  larger medians  than the                                                            
Target allocation  median of 7.38 percent; however,  he noted "there                                                            
is also  an increased  chance  of some  negative  returns over  that                                                            
five-year period."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken  understood, therefore, that the efficient  frontier                                                            
would be between Mix Three and Four.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary referred the  Committee to the asset allocation mixtures                                                            
detailed  on page 16. He  explained that Mix  3, with a domestic  or                                                            
non-dollar  bond component of 43 percent,  reflects "a heavier  bond                                                            
component"  than Mixes  4 through  8; however,  he clarified,  these                                                            
various "mixes  are all efficient  in that they produce the  highest                                                            
return possible  for that  level of risk."  He qualified that  these                                                            
mixes  "are riskier,  that is  there is  more volatility,  but  that                                                            
doesn't make them any less appropriate."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde noted  that in  previous presentations,  Mr.  O'Leary                                                            
projected a targeted goal  of an eight percent return with an actual                                                            
realized gain of five percent.  However, now, he noted, the targeted                                                            
goal reflects  a lower return. He  asked whether this is  the result                                                            
of the lower inflation factor.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  O'Leary  replied  yes, "a  lower  total  return  is in  part  a                                                            
function of a  reduction in the inflation number."  He noted that at                                                            
the  time of  the eight  percent return  projections  the  inflation                                                            
factor  was approximately  three  percent.  He continued  that  this                                                            
would result  in a five percent  rate of real  return were  this the                                                            
only factor. However, he  continued, another factor in the reduction                                                            
of returns  is  the "significant  change  in the  level of  interest                                                            
rates."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde commented  that Permanent  Fund  Dividends have  been                                                            
calculated based on a five percent rate of return.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer concurred that  the dividend projections were factored at                                                            
a  five  percent  rate  of  real  return.  He  noted  that  upcoming                                                            
Permanent Fund Division testimony would address this matter.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked whether  the price  of oil is  a factor  in the                                                            
projections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary assured the  Committee that the issue of fluctuating oil                                                            
prices is addressed in the report.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked whether this fluctuation affected  the accuracy                                                            
of the 2002 projections.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  noted  that the  analysis is  conducted  on a  five-year                                                            
basis rather than on an annual basis.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary furthered  that Callan Associates routinely  conducts an                                                            
annual review  of previous five-year  projections to ascertain  "how                                                            
accurate  they were."  He stressed  that  the objective  is for  the                                                            
projections to be within  the forecast range, both within each asset                                                            
allocation  and  as  a  total  portfolio.  He  announced  that  this                                                            
objective has  been achieved with one exception in  which the equity                                                            
return was higher  than projected; however, he clarified,  the total                                                            
portfolio projections were within the projected range.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Co-chair Wilken  asked the effect  of the growth of global  industry                                                            
on the American economy,  as, he noted, American jobs have been lost                                                            
and capital  investments into the  U. S. economy have been  reduced.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  responded that the globalization  concern has  prompted                                                            
responses "from  free marketers arguing that globalization  benefits                                                            
all by  helping accelerate  growth and efficiency."  He stated  that                                                            
"fortunately"  the United  States'  economy is  flexible and  better                                                            
able to cope with  this issue than other nations.  He continued that                                                            
"composition of  the United States economy" is transitioning  toward                                                            
becoming more  service and high technology  oriented, and  that "the                                                            
traditional manufacturing  base" is now being serviced  from abroad.                                                            
However,  he  noted,   foreign  economies  are  impacting   American                                                            
manufacturing  and high end,  traditional  blue-collar jobs,  and he                                                            
stressed  that  people  would require  retraining  "in  the  service                                                            
equivalent of those jobs."  He mentioned that an increase in foreign                                                            
industry sales  also could affect  inflation. He explained  that the                                                            
United States'  dollar value  is weakened as  the cost of  importing                                                            
goods  increases.  He stated  that  this  issue  has resulted  in  a                                                            
variety  of  inflation   range  projections  within   the  financial                                                            
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  asked whether globalization  has been a significant                                                             
factor in the recent recession in America.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. O'Leary  voiced  that he could  not adequately  respond to  that                                                            
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken thanked Mr. O'Leary for the presentation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer informed the  Committee that Chris Phillips would present                                                            
the current  Permanent  Fund balance,  models,  and projections.  He                                                            
stated that he  would then comment about the Fund's  performance and                                                            
asset allocations.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  PHILLIPS,   Director  of  Finance,   Alaska  Permanent   Fund                                                            
Corporation,  Department  of Revenue,  spoke regarding  the  "Alaska                                                            
Permanent Fund  Brief history and financial outlook  for Fund growth                                                            
and income" booklet  [copy on file], dated February  2003. She noted                                                            
that  the history  of  the  Permanent  Fund total  value,  which  is                                                            
comprised of  the Fund principal and  the earnings reserve  account,                                                            
is portrayed  on the first page of  the booklet. She noted  that the                                                            
Fund's balance,  as of 12/31/02, was $22.9 billion  and is comprised                                                            
of the  following:  $7.5 billion  of  dedicated oil  revenues;  $7.5                                                            
billion  from  inflation  proofing;  and  $7  billion  from  special                                                            
appropriations. She noted  that the special appropriations component                                                            
is comprised  of "special  appropriations from  the general  fund in                                                            
the early years and recently  from the earnings reserve account into                                                            
principal."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked  which  of these  three units  the Corporation                                                             
recognizes as the corpus of the Fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  responded that the Corporation  recognizes  the corpus                                                            
to be the entire principal balance of $22 billion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips noted that  the graph on page 2 identifies the earnings                                                            
reverse  account  balance.  She  explained  that  the  $3.5  billion                                                            
earnings  reserve account  balance  on June  30, 2000  is the  value                                                            
after the State  accounted for the June 2000 dividend  and inflation                                                            
proofing  appropriations.   She  noted  that  the  earnings  reserve                                                            
account  is "split  between the  realized earnings  reserve and  the                                                            
unrealized  earnings  reserve."  She  explained  that  the  realized                                                            
earnings  reserve is defined  as the "cash  flow from interest  from                                                            
bonds, dividends  from stocks, and cash flow" from  Corporation real                                                            
estate holdings,  as well "as the  realized gain or loss  on manager                                                            
sale of assets."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips continued  that the unrealized earnings  reserve income                                                            
is the  accumulated appreciation  of the assets  that remain  in the                                                            
Corporation.  She noted that  the Fund market  value as of  12/31/02                                                            
was  approximately  $900  million,  comprised  of  $1.2  billion  in                                                            
realized  earnings  reserve  and  a  loss of  $300  million  in  the                                                            
unrealized  earnings  reserve.   She  explained  that  the  earnings                                                            
reserve account  absorbs the market volatility for  the entire Fund.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Phillips stated  that  the chart  on page  3  explains how  the                                                            
earnings  reserve  account  balance has  been  reduced  from a  $6.5                                                            
billion balance  on June  30, 2000, to the  $900 million balance  on                                                            
December 31, 2002.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  asked  for  confirmation  that  "the  Earnings                                                            
Reserve absorbs the entire volatility of all the principal."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips responded that is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator B  Stevens surmised  that, "the principal  is the  dedicated                                                            
revenue in nominal  dollars, not in dollars that have  any increased                                                            
gain."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  responded, "yes,  it is a  nominal notational  number,                                                            
and  the  entire market  volatility  is  recorded  in  the  earnings                                                            
reserve."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens concluded,  therefore,  that $22 billion  is the                                                            
value of the dollars deposited into the fund.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  concurred.  She reiterated that  the Earnings  Reserve                                                            
account balance  of $6.5 billion at  the beginning of June  2000, as                                                            
depicted  in the  chart  on page  three,  "already"  factors in  the                                                            
removal of  the June 2000 dividend  and inflation proofing  dollars.                                                            
She explained  that  the chart  additionally  reflects all  activity                                                            
since that date, including:  a gain of $2.4 billion for two years of                                                            
interest,  dividends and  real estate;  a negative  $0.8 billion  in                                                            
realized losses;  a negative $1.3  billion total for the  years 2001                                                            
and 2002 inflation-proofing  transfers to the principal;  a negative                                                            
$2.0 billion  payout for  two years of  distributions for  Permanent                                                            
Fund Dividends;  and  a negative  $3.9 billion  loss reflecting  two                                                            
years of  changes in unrealized  holdings that  the State owns.  She                                                            
concluded  that the total  Earnings Reserve  Balance as of  December                                                            
31, 2002 is $0.9 billion.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde opined  that the fund  could be  recognized as  being                                                            
"double inflation  proofed." He exampled  normal inflation  proofing                                                            
as  the  fund earning  eight  percent,  including  a  three  percent                                                            
inflation-proofing factor;  thereby resulting in a real gain of five                                                            
percent. He  continued that the "current  practice is to  take money                                                            
out of  the earnings reserve  and, once  more, inflation-proof"  the                                                            
fund. He  asked whether  "it is  fair to describe  this practice  as                                                            
double inflation proofing."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  responded  that the  State makes the  decision  on the                                                            
amount  to be granted  to  inflation proof  the fund  each year  and                                                            
"actually  physically   moves  it  from  the  earnings   reserve  to                                                            
principal."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer pointed out  "if the five percent limit" were included in                                                            
the State's constitution  the second action of moving money from the                                                            
Earnings Reserve Account  to the principal would not be required. He                                                            
continued that  were statute changed, "the money would  reside there                                                            
but would  not be  formally moved  to the principal,  therefore,  it                                                            
would not be considered as inflation proofing."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  concluded that an actual  transfer of money  from the                                                            
earnings reserve  would be considered  inflation proofing;  however,                                                            
he continued,  if the inflation proofing calculations  were made but                                                            
not transferred, it would not be considered as such.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer noted  that  a State  statute  specifically  mandates  a                                                            
reduction  be  reflected in  the  earnings  reserve account  with  a                                                            
corresponding  increase  reflected  in  the  principal  account.  He                                                            
continued that  "absent the constitutional  amendment memorializing                                                             
the  limitation,  if that  stayed, then  you  would not  in fact  be                                                            
inflation proofing  then you would really be increasing  the size of                                                            
the earnings  reserve  which  could be  a appropriated  at a  future                                                            
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  explained the  bar chart on page  three, titled  "Fund's                                                            
total return."  He stated  that the total  Fund "annualized  return"                                                            
over the  last 18.75 years  is 9.6 percent,  and that the  five-year                                                            
return of  eight percent  was projected prior  to the February  2003                                                            
report from Callan Associates.  He noted the projected rate would be                                                            
adjusted  to reflect the  report. He explained  that the chart  also                                                            
indicates  the negative  total  returns of  the Fund  in the  fiscal                                                            
years 2001,  2002, and 2003. He remarked  that the negative  returns                                                            
could not be  ignored. He continued  that, "it is clear that  during                                                            
this bear market  the Fund has suffered  along with everyone  else."                                                            
He described  a Division evaluation  that judges the performance  of                                                            
the Alaska  Permanent Fund  against other  public fund peer  groups,                                                            
"predominately  retirement  funds",  which found  that  the Fund  is                                                            
faring approximately two percent better than other funds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOHN  COWDERY asked the loss  the Fund has experienced,  "in                                                            
hard dollars", during the last three years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer   referred  the  Committee   to  the  earnings   reserve                                                            
reconciliation  chart on page three  that specifies $800  million in                                                            
realized losses and negative $3.9 billion in depreciation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Cowdery  declared  that this  would  affect  "the  dividend                                                            
payout by approximately a billion dollars a year."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  clarified that the dividend  formula utilizes  a five-                                                            
year average,  and that the previous two fiscal year  appropriations                                                            
were  approximately  one billion  dollars.  She continued  that  the                                                            
average  appropriation  is  expected to  be  reduced as  the  older,                                                            
higher earning years are removed from the five-year calculation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde,  referencing testimony  that the Fund's earnings  are                                                            
"on target,"  asked whether earnings  in the worst-case scenario  of                                                            
       th                                                                                                                       
the  95   percentile,  which  is  within  the  targeted  range,  are                                                            
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  informed the  Committee that  the Fund "is experiencing                                                             
lower  case probability  in  virtually  every instance  from  market                                                            
value, from returns, from  the dividend payout, etc." He stated that                                                            
"it  was studied,  it  was  understood  when  we adopted  the  asset                                                            
allocation   that  this  was  a  probability,   albeit  an   extreme                                                            
probability."  He reiterated  that, "this is  one of the worst  bear                                                            
markets since the '30s."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  stated that page four  denotes the Fund's current  asset                                                            
allocation  as being:  37  percent invested  in the  domestic  stock                                                            
market;  16 percent  invested  in international  equity  market;  35                                                            
percent  invested in  United States  investment  grade bonds  rather                                                            
than high  yield bonds;  two percent  invested  in non-dollar  bonds                                                            
comprised of sovereigns  of high quality countries  such as England,                                                            
France and Germany; and ten percent in real estate.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer noted that the  chart on page four supports Mr. O'Leary's                                                            
testimony  regarding  the probability  of  achieving a  goal over  a                                                            
five-year period.  Mr. Storer referenced the chart  information that                                                            
states, "there  is a 1 in 4 (25%)  chance that the Fund will  earn a                                                            
negative  return in any single  year, there  is only a 1 in  20 (5%)                                                            
chance over  a 5-year period and a  1 in 100 (1%) chance  over a 10-                                                            
year period of a negative  return" if current asset allocations were                                                            
maintained.   He  emphasized   the  importance   of  adopting   "the                                                            
appropriate  asset  allocation"  that combines  near  and long  term                                                            
objectives,  and in holding that course.  He explained, "Funds  that                                                            
shift  and  react to  near-term  news  are  the  ones that  are  the                                                            
unsuccessful funds ultimately  because they are always responding to                                                            
yesterday's headlines."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde understood  Mr. O'Leary to say that the Fund would not                                                            
earn five percent under  the asset allocation restrictions that have                                                            
been placed  on the  Corporation.  Therefore, he  asked whether  the                                                            
Corporation  would be requesting  changes to  be made involving  the                                                            
current asset allocation restrictions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer responded  that the Corporation recently  "reconstituted"                                                            
its Board of Trustees  and "reformed" its Legislative  Committee. He                                                            
continued  that  the  Board  would  be  familiarizing   itself  with                                                            
numerous issues,  including the five  percent clause and  evaluating                                                            
whether the basket clause should be expanded.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Phillips  stated that  the  chart  on page  five  portrays  the                                                            
results  of statistical  models  that  evaluate and  project  future                                                            
earning returns.  She explained that  these "returns are  just not a                                                            
firm number, but a range  around an expected value." She voiced that                                                            
the range model developed  by Callan Associates is applied two times                                                            
a  year and  "incorporates  market  volatility  into  the  projected                                                            
outcomes"  of its  "300 scenarios  of capital  market returns."  She                                                            
stated  that the  charts depict  "an array  of outcomes  with  their                                                            
associated  probabilities."  She  stated  that  all  models  contain                                                            
assumptions,  such  as:  the fall  revenue  forecast;  the  dividend                                                            
formula as defined in statute;  as well as the most recent financial                                                            
data.  She  explained  various  components  of the  graph,  and  she                                                            
stressed that,  "the range of market value does already  assume that                                                            
the dividend has been deducted from this market value."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  stated  that the  chart at  the bottom  of page  five,                                                            
depicts the range of the  realized earnings reserve projected for FY                                                            
03 through  FY  08. She  reminded the  Committee  that the  earnings                                                            
reserve,  combined  with  the principal,  comprise  the  total  Fund                                                            
value.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Phillips  continued  that the  chart  at the  top  of page  six                                                            
reflects  the range  of the total  earnings  reserve. She  specified                                                            
that the realized  earnings reserve  is the cash flow. Furthermore,                                                             
she asserted,  it is the portion of the Fund on which  the permanent                                                            
fund  dividend  allocation  is calculated.  She  noted,  "the  total                                                            
earnings reserve includes  the realized earnings and the accumulated                                                            
market appreciation or depreciation on the assets."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips communicated  that the chart at the bottom  of page six                                                            
projects the  range of per capita  dividends for the current  fiscal                                                            
year and the subsequent five years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair Wilken  asked for further information regarding  the "Range                                                            
of total  earnings  reserve"  chart on  page six,  specifically  the                                                            
information pertaining  to FY 08. He voiced the understanding  that,                                                            
in FY 08,  there is a 90  percent chance  that the earnings  reserve                                                            
would reflect a negative amount.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Philips  replied  that  these numbers  project  a  ten  percent                                                            
probability that  the fund would reflect a negative  $1.4 billion or                                                            
less or a 90 percent  chance that it would be negative  $1.4 billion                                                            
or greater.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked for  further  explanation  about  the FY  08                                                            
earnings in the  Range of total earnings reserve chart  on page six.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Phillips   provided   further  interpretation   regarding   the                                                            
projected  totals for  FY 08. She  reminded the  Committee that  the                                                            
total amount  reflected  in this chart  does not  contain the  money                                                            
dedicated  for the permanent  fund dividends  and for the  inflation                                                            
proofing transfer as they are already subtracted from the total.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked for clarification that the $400  permanent fund                                                            
dividend levels  projected in FY 05  and FY 06 are based  on a five-                                                            
year average that  includes years in which the fund's  earnings were                                                            
in a negative range.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  concurred, and noted  that the average is lowering  as                                                            
the higher earning years  are removed from the five-year calculation                                                            
formula.   She  stated   that  the  monthly-realized   earnings   of                                                            
approximately   $70  million  is   a  known  factor;  however,   she                                                            
explained,   the  managers'  buy   and  sell  activity  and   market                                                            
appreciation or depreciation are unknowns.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  remarked that  the chart on  page seven "reflects  the                                                            
comparison  of the historical and  projected realized income  of the                                                            
Fund." She stated that  this information is overlaid with actual and                                                            
projected  State  oil revenue.  She  stated  that  this information                                                             
anticipates  the   realized  income  from  the  Permanent   Fund  to                                                            
increase, while revenues from oil decrease.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken ascertained  from the  chart that  by FY 2018,  oil                                                            
revenue  deposited into  the general  fund is projected  to be  $500                                                            
million and Permanent Fund  revenue is projected to be $3.2 billion.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Phillips  concurred;  however, she reminded  the Committee  that                                                            
these numbers do not account for market volatility.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked when further direction from the  Board might be                                                            
anticipated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer informed  the  Committee  that the  newly reconstituted                                                             
Alaska Permanent  Fund Board of Trustees recently  met for the first                                                            
time.  He  shared  that  committees  were  formed,   some  committee                                                            
meetings were  scheduled, and that the next scheduled  Board meeting                                                            
is March 25 and  26, 2003. He voiced that the Legislative  Committee                                                            
would probably meet prior to the next Board meeting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-chair  Wilken  congratulated  the new  appointees  to the  Alaska                                                            
Permanent Fund Board of Trustees.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 10:20 AM                                                                          

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